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Indy

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 09:27:50 pm

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I'm checking their end of summer schedule and this is what they have. Five destinations and 12 flights.

ATL 4x
MCO 3x
TPA 2x
RSW 2x
LAS 1x

I wonder how long it will be until LAS is dropped.

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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 09:41:07 pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 03:17:16 am

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Well now we know where the jets are going. I think we can officially say they gave up on IND.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=712021

Looks like they are going to run the routes out of MKE. Will this be the last season for LAX and SFO for FL out of IND? Will they drop the routes before they even start? I guess NW won here again.

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 04:09:32 pm

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Wow, you betrayed us Airtran. Getting our hopes up and then what? You go to MKE? They already have a full-sized hub! Well good riddance you good-for-nothing...low life...
Ok, done with my rant. Mr. Green

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 04:33:41 pm

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What how fast they come back in NW and DL merge and they gut service here. But it is for that reason I think NW/DL will keep their schedule beefed up here. You don't want FL, F9 or B6 setting up a hub in this region of the country.

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 06:07:39 pm


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From what it looks like, FL is not going to be much of a player at IND as of late August. For a time, it looked like they were going to do a pretty good set up at IND.

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 07:01:08 pm

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But, why did they decide on MKE? Do they see YX as a easier target than NW? (Which I would have to say is true.) I'm just wondering if they will further cut service here in IND to just ATL and Florida.

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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 06:42:38 pm


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I think now that FL is currently occupied with building up MKE, the IND "operation" is going to probably go to the absolute bare minimum. They will keep the ATL flights and a few to Florida, but unless the MKE expansion falters, i don't see IND being that high on the priority list.

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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 06:57:27 pm

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I think NW is going to go for the kill now.

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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 07:10:46 pm


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Watch NW add service to ATL from IND...that would be one of the shockers *lol* Especially if the DL/NW talks are breaking down.

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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 07:49:51 pm

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NW already offers IND-ATL for sale through a DL codeshare. You can book it on nwa.com.

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 02:13:14 pm

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The writing is on the wall for these small "regional" airlines - and I don't mean regional jet airlines or express carriers like Chatauqua or Skywest. I mean full-line carriers that are regional in scope: Midwest, Airtran, Frontier, Alaska, JetBlue. With the likelihood of a DL/NW merger and now a CO/UA merger, these smaller carriers have to merge to stay alive. I can see Airtran making another run at a takeover of Midwest. But better yet, they should look to merge with Frontier. Actually, can you imagine a combination of Frontier, Alaska, Airtran, and Midwest? That would make a pretty formidable airline. If there were a management team that could successfully integrate those four carriers into one, they could wring out a ton of savings and use that to expand internationally. Anyway, without getting too far off topic, I just see Airtran needing to merge here. MKE isn't going to provide the midwestern base that they really need, and YX will defend their home turf to the death. YX already killed the NW focus city there. Another thought is that as NW and DL merge, YX will have to drop their codesharing arrangements with NW, and maybe that provides an opening for FL to enter. In addition, if there is a NW/DL merger, you can expect dehubbing at CVG (leaving a focus city there - kind of like US did at PIT) and probably at MEM, too. That would leave an opening for FL to make a run at CVG. Heck - the airport folks in Cincy would be ecstatic to have FL come in and replace DL if the place is dehubbed.

My spidey senses say that I'm starting to ramble now, so I'll stop there... Razz

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 02:25:25 pm

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I don't know if FL can go at YX again. I don't think they are a public company anymore. They are part of another group. I think FL would have to buy that group and they certainly can't afford that.

I honestly think I will submit an objection to the NW/DL merger when it becomes open for public comment. I think it is bad for the industry and bad for consumers. It is certainly bad for a few cities. If the airlines reduce capacity it will weaken them and make them vulnerable to LCC expansion. So that doesn't seem likely. The likely scenario is that these mergers are decided to be anti competitive. We'll see inferior service and higher prices.

FL won't expand here. They really can't expand here anymore. I think NW has pretty much killed that possibility. That is exactly the kind of thing a NW/DL merger is designed to do. I don't believe for a minute the intentions behind this merger are honorable.

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 03:04:12 pm

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Indy wrote:

I don't know if FL can go at YX again. I don't think they are a public company anymore. They are part of another group. I think FL would have to buy that group and they certainly can't afford that.

I honestly think I will submit an objection to the NW/DL merger when it becomes open for public comment. I think it is bad for the industry and bad for consumers. It is certainly bad for a few cities. If the airlines reduce capacity it will weaken them and make them vulnerable to LCC expansion. So that doesn't seem likely. The likely scenario is that these mergers are decided to be anti competitive. We'll see inferior service and higher prices.

FL won't expand here. They really can't expand here anymore. I think NW has pretty much killed that possibility. That is exactly the kind of thing a NW/DL merger is designed to do. I don't believe for a minute the intentions behind this merger are honorable.


I certainly respect your opinion on the motivations for the legacy mergers. But you're dead wrong about one thing - the mergers won't be blocked by the FTC for anticompetitive purposes. The government has been actively encouraging this consolidation. It's tantamount to a preapproved merger. In an environment where BA, AF/KL, and LX are looking hungrily and vast expansions into the U.S., the feds don't want a bunch of airlines lining up to enter bankruptcy court again soon.

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 03:15:23 pm

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There really is nothing left for the carriers to file bankruptcy on. They've already screwed the employees as much as they can. Only thing left is to start heavy liquidation of assets and thats how it should work. Let the weak die off.

I am going to take a trip in either late spring or early summer. It was going to be on NW. I think it will instead be with F9. I've been meaning to check them out. If this merger happens I will have a reason to.

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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 06:33:15 pm


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I don't see FL expanding much more here in the foreseeable future. It will be interesting to see what happens if a DL/NW merger happens...that would give the combined airline about 12 or 13 gates.

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